Three quarters of Church of England priests believe that Britain is no longer a Christian country, says a recent survey.
Being fashionably non-judgemental, the holy fathers, mothers and others didn’t state for the record whether they regarded that situation as negative or positive. But, seeing that only about one per cent of Britons attend Anglican churches, one can’t accuse them of ignoring the evidence before their eyes.
So Britain is no longer Christian, says the Church of England. Yes, but is the Church of England? That survey, along with many others, comes close to answering that question, and not to the satisfaction of those who, unlike three quarters of Britons, still believe in God.
Let me rephrase that, for it’s possible to be a Christian and still shun the Church of England. Catholic churches are chock a block every Sunday, and fundamentalist congregations are popping up like mushrooms after a sun shower.
Obviously those confessions offer things the C of E no longer does. The polled priests weren’t asked to explain, but their responses to other questions provide all the answers anyone would need.
You see, being a religious Christian means not only worshipping Jesus Christ but also venerating Christian doctrine as the translation of Christ’s commandments into a general view – and way – of life. Alas, the C of E gives compelling evidence of its adherence to a different doctrine, that of secular woke modernity.
Thus a majority of priests would love to officiate same-sex weddings. They also see nothing wrong with extramarital sex, homo- or heterosexual.
This sort of thing goes against explicit injunctions in both Testaments, with Christian doctrine fleeing for cover. I suppose, if pressed, those priests would say that such things are so widespread that there’s no point trying to resist them.
But it’s not a priest’s job to resist or promote secular trends. His job is to judge them in the light of Christian doctrine. Such, at any rate, is the theory. The practice, however, is very different.
Priests seem to be doing things the other way around. They judge Christian doctrine by secular standards and favour changing it if it falls short. One of the respondents attributed that inversion to the “pressure of justifying the Church of England’s position to increasingly secular and sceptical audiences”.
One has to assume that people who attend a church service are neither secular nor sceptical, at least not irreversibly so. They may have their doubts, and it’s the priest’s job to dispel them.
Those doubters certainly hope for such reassurance, for otherwise they wouldn’t find themselves in church. Yet somehow I don’t think playing lickspittle to every faddish perversion around is a good way for a priest to reassure his wavering parishioners.
Then the surveys found that more than a third of Anglican priests support assisted dying, although I have to debunk the rumour that many of them are also inclining towards human sacrifice as a sacramental practice. Until further verification this rumour has to be dismissed as purely speculative.
Again, what matters here isn’t the purely secular debate about the advisability of euthanasia. A broad range of opinion exists, both pro and con. The advocates talk about the unbearable suffering of terminal patients, the objectors express a very realistic fear that, if euthanasia is legal, sooner or later it will become compulsory.
Priests are welcome to engage in such arguments, but only as private individuals in the afterhours. Their day job is to state the doctrinal position of euthanasia, which is that it constitutes the taking of life that’s neither for doctors to take nor for patients to give up.
Suicide, assisted or otherwise, is a sin worse than murder because it’s the only sin that can’t be repented. That’s why murderers aren’t denied Christian burial on consecrated grounds, but suicides are.
By condoning euthanasia, priests are guaranteed to repel more potential parishioners than they attract, but the clergy don’t seem to be concerned about that. Pledging allegiance to woke fads, however perverse, is all that matters.
All told, you shouldn’t be surprised that over 80 per cent of priests would back the appointment of a woman as Archbishop of Canterbury. One has to commend them on having their logical faculties intact.
After all, if female priests have been ordained since 1992 and female bishops consecrated since 2014, it would be both churlish and illogical to oppose a woman as Archbishop of Canterbury. But the timelines are telling.
The march of change is going from a measured walk to a jog to a sprint. Female priests had to wait 22 years before they could try on purple vestments. Another seven years, and 80 per cent of priests would welcome a female Archbishop of Canterbury. Since the current holder of that post reaches the mandatory retirement age in two years, if I were a betting man I’d give you good odds on the Lady Archbishop in 2025.
Moreover, two thirds of priests would be willing to get rid of the current practice of the clergy being allowed to reject female bishops. The odds in favour of a woman at Canterbury are becoming prohibitive. However, St Paul had a dim view of this idea, as can be inferred from his epistles.
For example: “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” And elsewhere: “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”
If it is a shame for women to speak in a church, it’s even a greater shame for them to speak to a church. This would seem to put paid to the concept of female priesthood, but only for those who attach any value to Scripture and doctrine, which group manifestly doesn’t include most Anglican priests.
Then there are 26 seats in the Lords currently reserved for Church of England archbishops and bishops. While most priests don’t want to put an end to that practice, over 60 per cent favour some sort of reform, mainly to open the Lords to other denominations and faiths.
Actually, adherents of other denominations and faiths are already represented in the Lords, but only Anglican prelates get their seats automatically on the strength of their religious posts. That’s how it should remain for as long as the Church of England remains established, but here logic fails the respondents.
Mercifully, most of them don’t yet go along with Jonathan Aitken, the former Tory (!) minister, then a jailbird, who is now an Anglican priest. He said that the “whole House of Lords is an illogical structure.” Hence, “The bishops are an illogical part of an illogical structure.”
Which logic would that be? Exactly the same as that behind the Church conducting homosexual weddings, condoning suicide, welcoming female leadership and in general jumping on the bandwagon of woke modernity.
The same logic, in other words, that explains the empty pews in Anglican churches. Are those priests trying to talk themselves out of the job?
“‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’
She has become a dwelling for demons
and a haunt for every impure spirit,
a haunt for every unclean bird,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”
Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
“‘Come out of her, my people,’
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
We have the same situation in the Roman Catholic Church. Prelates lament the fact that attendance is declining (and with it donations!) but are at a loss to explain it. It seems most do not believe in the True Presence, sin, atonement for sin. They preach, teach, and treat the Eucharist accordingly. The faithful soak in those attitudes and it doesn’t take long to come to the conclusion that if the Eucharist is just a dry cracker we all get and Mass is little more than bad pop music there really is no reason to celebrate it. If our priests tell us we’re all going to Heaven because God loves us as we are, what is the point of Mass or any of the sacraments? It seems obvious to anyone but a consecrated priest that the message, or lack of one, is the problem. I read somewhere (Nov 20, 2013) that, “Two millennia ago the Church managed to shine the light of Truth out of Roman catacombs and Mediterranean barns. Quality attracted quantity, turning the Church into the dominant institution of the West.” The message is Truth itself, bishops, and it works.
We are blessed to have a Norbertine Abbey near us and those dedicated priests have been celebrating the Traditional Latin Mass at local parishes for years. Attendance at those masses, by the way, continues to grow, despite covid and Pope Francis’s motu proprio. In fact, I spoke with one father of three who said they came to our Latin Mass after Pope Francis spoke out against it specifically to see what is so terrible. They have been there faithfully each week for over a year now.
We know Britain is no longer a Christian country. Is the Church of England a Christian Church?
“Suicide, assisted or otherwise, is a sin worse than murder because it’s the only sin that can’t be repented. ”
My understanding is that suicides are not condemned so harshly by the Catholic faith because the persons are said to be NOT in a normal mind and cannot make a fully 100 % rational decision as to what they are doing by terminating themselves.
Wrong to do but you are not 100 % condemned.
One gathers from St Paul’s epistle that he regarded women as morally, spiritually, and intellectually too by inference, inferior to men.
I don’t know that all conservatives would agree with this.
Paul is writing to Timothy, whom Paul had ordained as the bishop of Ephesus. Ephesus was rife with gnosticism, pagan worship of the goddess Diana, magic, the belief that Eve was a heroine for eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, magic (or witches), and what we would call old wives’ tales. One translation I have seen that is said to be closer to the original Greek is something like this: “Given these circumstances, I do not permit a woman to teach or to have a harmful authority over a man, but to be in silence.” [Emphasis mine]
Jesus certainly did not see women as inferior. People often come to this conclusion because the twelve Apostles were male and the Catholic Church does not ordain women as deacons or priests. Jesus was born of woman, three women were present at His Crucifixion (whereas all but one Apostle fled and hid), He appeared first to Mary Magdalene after His Resurrection, Mary was coronated Queen of Heaven and is the only perfect human being (full of grace). I’m sure biblical scholars could come up with many more examples.
If only God could have been a bit clearer about all this…
I would posit that most of the female “Priests” are of the sapphic variety , and changing the church to suit their lifestyle is their mission . We have a Marxist Pope , why not a lesbian Archbishop ?!
There are probably about as many Christians in the UK as there always were. The difference is that most of the hallowed buildings in which we used to worship have been taken over by unbelievers. Or, to be more precise, the unbelievers who always had control of the church buildings have now taken steps to exclude us Christians from them.
Having escaped to the safe but admittedly very foreign refuge of the Orthodox Church of Antioch, I don’t know whether to admire or pity those who are still standing up for Christ in the collapsing churches of the West.
My escape route took me to Rome, rather than Antioch. But I know several Englishmen who converted to various Eastern rites. One, a good friend of mine, belongs to a Russian congregation not far from us, in Burgundy. He is English, his wife is French, and they are both Russian Orthodox. They took me to a couple of masses at their church, which made me appreciate your point about that refuge being foreign. My friend doesn’t even understand Russian (to say nothing of Church Slavonic), I do, but God simply doesn’t speak to me in that language. The whole style of the liturgy took me out of my ecclesiastical habitat and into the jungle of foreign mores. This reminds me of the pre-war Texas governor who vetoed the bilingual education bill by saying: “If English was good enough for Jesus, it’s good enough for me.” English, Latin, but neither Russian nor even Greek — St Paul would be aghast, so please don’t tell him.